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puddingsmith ([personal profile] hope) wrote2004-07-14 12:22 pm

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okay, i'm going to make some final statements about the au archive stuff.

the post i made yesterday was not a call to arms. it wasn't aimed at generating 'a mob mentality', and it wasn't written or posted to set about portraying other people as 'evil'.

at the start of the post i talk about how much i love doing things for fandom and how good it makes me feel. this wasn't so i could set myself up as a benevolent angel, or the loving matriarch of all fandom, or anything like that. because i don't believe that shit. i was just trying to establish that i'm quite emotionally involved in fandom, and with reason, so that when i feel like i've been wronged, it really hurts.

which is, essentially, what that post was about. it wasn't so much about fandom politics and my trying to set something up to make myself look good and other people look bad. it wasn't about me not letting anyone else 'play with my crayons'. i felt that common courtesy had been ignored, and that had, ultimately, wounded me in this situation.

the post was left unlocked because these feelings were genuine. i felt absolutely awful. i also felt the whole fandom could do with a dose of courtesy, and it wasn't like what sparked the situation was within my private interaction with someone. it was public. I also didn't want it to be seen as me being all high-and-mighty, locking it away in a passive-aggressive bid for unquestioning support.

that's not what it was.

it was about me expressing myself in my livejournal, and the people that responded in comments were friends of mine who were supporting and comforting me in my distress. the friends that responded are people i know well and personally, they're people whose kind of support i know (and need) and understand; they're not randomly generated expressions of aggression. I know when they're being serious and i know when they're trying to cheer me up, or when they're agreeing with me, and whatnot.

in the meantime, i've been communicating with the other parties involved via email, so i don't see the need for any further public debate about what's going on in my relationship with these people.

if you want to further debate courtesy in fandom, go ahead. it's something i feel strongly about, because it affects me strongly.

[identity profile] lilybaggins.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Anybody who thinks you've got ulterior motives for helping people out here needs to get a grip. Honestly. You're one of the most helpful, truly good people around this cyber place---you do what you do because you're a giving person who enjoys sharing your skills and talents---and thank goodness you do, for those of us who have no skills when it comes to such things! :)

I'm sorry this happened to you. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as they say, but that was taking it too far.

BTW, I suppose we need to reload the index page or something for the FrodoFic archive . . . is that possible? I never had access to it to save it... the archive has been down now since rsf.com went over bandwidth. Just let me know what I can do.

[identity profile] lilybaggins.livejournal.com 2004-07-14 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks a bunch! :) I should have mentioned it earlier, but it's been crazy in RL!

[identity profile] lilithlotr.livejournal.com 2004-07-14 08:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I have to say, it's been coming on for a while, although I think the rapidity with which the total ignorance of etiquette has spread surprised me.

I suppose it's natural. We live in a universe where we begin by borrowing someone else's characters. Most of us on the internet also appropriate other people's images. The last bastion of fair play was the long-standing fandom rule that Thou Shalt Not Fuck Over a Fellow Fan. And I guess that one's gone, too.

As you pointed out, it's not what was done -- it's how. And what WAS NOT done. I went through a similar experience about 7 years ago in figure skating fandom, and although the people remained acquaintances and I hung out with them--our relationship was never the same. Because I felt they had gone behind my back, and by refusing to trust me with the information on what they were doing, and failing to take my feelings into consideration, they just made it clear what was important to them. And it sure wasn't me, or even the fandom in general.

And that's my $.02. I've not been to either archive, or been involved in any way, because RPS AU is just not my thing. I don't even have any idea who the folks are who set up the other one. So, obviously, I'm talking Fandom-with-a-Capital-F, and not these people in particular.

[identity profile] alchemie.livejournal.com 2004-07-15 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
<3 <3 <3

[identity profile] alchemie.livejournal.com 2004-07-15 09:19 am (UTC)(link)
<3 <3 <3

(I accidentally sent some <3's to Lilith (who also deserves them). Here are the ones I intended for you).

xxox