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Spoilers for up to Day Three, no further
I found the whole propositioning conversation in Day Three delightfully similar to the stopwatch conversation in They Keep Killing Suzie.
... Because, really, the proposition doesn't just start at the "plenty of things you can do with a stopwatch" or "might as well make the most of it, then", but the whole context of it and surrounding conversation.
This might be fanwanking it too far, but I'm really loving the dynamic they're building with this relationship. Mainly I love that it doesn't toss aside the creepy and fucked-upness of Torchwood (and subsequently, both their personalities/characters) to play out the more media stereotypical behaviours of 'romance'.
Like, Ianto's whole "So, you were blown to pieces. Did it hurt? No really, did it?" (matched with the whole joking-about-the-gruesome-death-of-a-coworker-over-her-corpse in TKKS) is his way of showing Jack, very honestly, that he's totally not bugged at all by the horror of Jack's (and Torchwood) life.
But at the same time, Jack *is* a bit bugged by it-- at the start of the "you 'sploded!" conversation, he's clearly a bit uncomfortable. But Ianto isn't relentless unwittingly. I totally love the fact that he's completely, brazenly honest about who and what Jack is-- he's not so much trying to "make Jack a better person" through trying to superimpose some present moral code on him, but constantly accepting and facing the reality of Jack's life--which is pretty perpetually horrific--without flinching, head on.
Because he knows that this kind of thing is *going* to be relentless for Jack, so rather than give him empty platitudes of comfort, he just helps Jack accept it by accepting it himself. And with positive reinforcement! i.e. "You died horribly, and will continue to die horribly forever, even after I'm dead. SO LET'S HAVE
Which, frankly, I think is all very consistent with Ianto's characterisation as well--thinking back to his refusal to give up on Lisa even when she had turned into something monstrous, and beyond that, was running around killing people.
But I wouldn't say that Ianto is just swayed to the moral ground of whoever he presently loves. I think he just has his own shady moral code that he very fiercely sticks to--he's loyal to Jack, but disobeys him frequently when he doesn't agree with Jack's orders.
Anyway, ultimately I think that these bits of Ianto's character are what ultimately make he and Jack the OTP. I think Jack is absolutely complimented and kept interested by Ianto's complete acceptance of the shady, horrific reality of Jack's personality and existence. In addition to the fact that that acceptance is through Ianto being completely his own man, ultimately, and it being absolutely his independent choice to be like that and be with Jack, rather than any thrall Jack might have over him. They're both very much their own people.
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I never really got into this show, watched some season one, got blindsidedly enraged by the ep with Ianto's de-humanized ex. But this sounds like it has something, you know, beside the canon gay and the Britishness (or is it Walesness? My foot is sure to be in my mouth here, sry). So. *tilts head*. Maybe I should try again.
Erm. Rambly thoughts are rambly >.<
Without significant canon knowledge, is this watchable in a way that makes some sort of sense, you think? And by 'this' I mean this Children of the Earth thing.
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I'd be tempted to say: Give Children of Earth a go, and if it hooks you then watch the first two seasons. Season 2 is a lot more fun and smoother than S1 as well, I found myself cursing through S1 just to get to S2.
And to be completely honest, I've re-watched very little. This really is a show I'm into mostly because of the fandom, not because of the overwhelming awesome of the canon (because, seriously. It's fun, but so problematic).
And hee, yeah, the Britishness (and sub-set of Welshness *g*) and canon gay are big redeeming features for me :D
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This sounds tres promising. Will give it a go. And then I'll make you point me at the right fannish places, yes?
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Totally agree with you about switching, btw. :)
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Then again, I think we've got a lot more Ianto characterisation in the past three episodes than we have in the past two seasons, so my personal fanon characterisation is just in a massive state of flux right now as I try and incorporate all this new stuff!
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Well said. The portrayal of their relationship is kind of ... as muddy and insular as it's been in previous seasons, even when it's out front and center as it is. I've really been enjoying it.
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That is the scene where I feel in love with Ianto.
But I wouldn't say that Ianto is just swayed to the moral ground of whoever he presently loves. I think he just has his own shady moral code that he very fiercely sticks to--he's loyal to Jack, but disobeys him frequently when he doesn't agree with Jack's orders.
I completely agree with you here...said the same thing to someone...Ianto has this fairly fucked up concept of what's right and sticks with it...one of the most interesting things about him.
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