hope: Art of a woman writing from tour poster (i'm gay and bashful - only not.)
puddingsmith ([personal profile] hope) wrote2004-07-13 01:44 pm

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Like. Ok. Can I just tear my hair out here for a moment? Because being me is really frustrating right this instant.

I won't pretend that Doing Stuff For People is an entirely selfless mode of behaviour, I do it because I like making people happy, I like pleasing people, making them feel good. Because it makes me feel good. It really really does. And it makes me feel just as uber-bad when I let down the same people I'm trying to help out. Which does happen on occasion, because I have a tendency to want to please everyone and take on more than I can actually handle.

And like, I don't do all these because I want to monopolise this little community we've got going here. I don't at all. Half the time this place causes me angst, and rage, and I have to disregard the majority of it in order to enjoy it at all. But I still love it.

So it literally feels like a physical kick to the stomach when I devote so much time and work to something (that has even more time and work set aside for it in the near future), and then something like this pops up (and lets just ignore the url surrounding that subdomain for now, though yeah, it might be considered pertinent).

I don't want to be the only person in the fandom that Does Shit, but I want the Shit that I Do to remain mine. Or at least, people to contact me if they decide they want to make it Theirs. Is it too much to ask for someone to consult me about taking over the reins instead of shooting me in the back and kicking me out of the saddle?

All my rants here lately seem to be bemoaning the lack of politeness, etiquette and manners in this fandom. I know that the very idea of 'Rules' around here is a joke, but politics aside, all I know is that I'm sitting here actually feeling nauseous, not out of disgust, but just. I don't know. Maybe it's a culmination of things in my own personal life, but it's a lot of fandom things too. I'm near to tears, here.

I know I'm not as spry and aggressive as I used to be with these kind of roles and duties I take on, but at least give me some respect.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go feel sorry for myself in the bathroom for a while, instead of randomly blubbering in an otherwise silent office.


eta: in hindsight, i'm unlocking the entry because yeah. i'm being honest here, i don't have anything to hide. and it's not like only The People I Have Listed as Friend are the only ones who use my websites, heh.

[identity profile] lilithlotr.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuckers

[identity profile] sneezer222.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
{{{hugs}}}

[identity profile] loose-your-dogs.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*sets jaw*

release the blix.

[identity profile] sunnysky.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
that sucks. i'm so sorry. :o(

[identity profile] loose-your-dogs.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:41 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, i just lost the adendum i typed to my dumbass blix comment. I'm a little more angry than that comment implies. which is like saying the rialto is a little bigger than your building.

the name sounds familiar. is she one of your hostees?

where is common sense? why has it abandoned us? the concept of intellectual property is not a difficult one to grasp. nor are the values of respect, decency and courtesy. these are values that all people of all types can embrace, except, apparently, utter fucking cunts as exemplified by our friend 'the webmisstress'.

*uses RAGE icon*

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
'member that discussion about courtesy and how people don't have it any more?

This is the biggest example I've seen in a loooooong time. And even the link button looks eerily familiar (http://www.dombillijah.com/dblbutton1.gif).

*gives you mega huggles and wishes I was there to give them in person*

If I could make it better, I would. You are The Original And Best. Just like Smith's chips.

Re: *uses RAGE icon*

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, there ain't much diff between this one of yours: http://www.dombillijah.com/dblbutton1.gif

and this one of theirs: http://au.monaboyd.net/files/au1.gif

Hmmmm.

Re: *uses RAGE icon*

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Always, taterificus. ALWAYS.

*loves*

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
AND (it gets better):

they've linked to the wingfic archive ON THAT PAGE, so it'd be pretty hard for them not to be aware of the AU one.

*seethes*
ext_16163: (michelangelo buonarotti)

[identity profile] bunniewabbit.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but is it possible that she didn't know about your site? I saw the announcement she made about hers, and I almost commented something to the effect of, "Did you know...?" ...but then I didn't. I don't suppose it would have made any difference, anyway. :(

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
She's linked to the wingfic archive on the site, and I find it hard to believe she'd know about that without knowing about the AU directory. Although I grant you it is possible.

[identity profile] ffenest.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
That's so incredibly rude, not even bothering to reply to your comment to acknowledge your work. Especially since she replied to all the other comments, and how, y'know, YOU ALREADY HAD THE ARCHIVE. ghsdkghjk. I second the need to release the Blix.

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 01:33 am (UTC)(link)
The replying to all the other comments is especially fucked. When someone does that, you know there's something NQR about their attitude to the person in question.

I am coming to your place tomorrow night. Let's hold a Dark Ritual and wreak wrengeance! WE ARE THE KNITTING CIRCLE OF DOOOOOOM AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

*is a towering inferno of RAGE right now*

[identity profile] thepsychicclam.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 10:06 am (UTC)(link)
assuming i have a NQR attitude about hope is really rude. ever think that maybe i didn't get the comment since lj is the suck instead of just assuming i hate hope? why would i ignore it when she offered to let me mod the au archive? i obviously wanted an archive and would have accepted, but didn't get the comment. before you get into a rage, maybe think that not everyone is an evil bitch out to get you.

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 01:43 pm (UTC)(link)
ever think that maybe i didn't get the comment since lj is the suck instead of just assuming i hate hope?

No, frankly. Since comments both before and after Hope's were responded to, I assumed you would have seen it at some stage while responding to the other comments even if you didn't get the notification.

And hey, I don't think everyone is an evil bitch out to get me. Firstly, I'm nothing to do with this other than being pissed off on behalf of a friend. And secondly, I think that setting up an independent archive without even contacting the person who set up the original one was rude. Rude, not evil. There is a difference.

[identity profile] thepsychicclam.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
i comment to all my lj comments through hotmail and not from the website, so i never even seen it. and if i did, i would have responded. simple as that.

i have nothing to do with this either except that i was glad to see a working AU archive, yet somehow i got drug into it and bitched about because i missed an lj comment. i'm not getting into the whole who has rights to an archive issue with you since that's something completely different than my original intent here. i just didn't appreciate negative comments thrown my way.

[identity profile] andraste-oz.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
i just didn't appreciate negative comments thrown my way.

I don't regard that as throwing negative comments your way. If I'd wanted to do that I would have gone over to your LJ or emailed you. All my comments were on Hope's LJ were to express support for her and anger at what I saw as people not acting courteously to her. As Marita says, fair enough if you didn't get a notification and you didn't see the comment - but surely you can see that it looks as if you were just ignoring her.

As to who has the "rights" to the archive, I don't think that's the issue here at all. I think the issue is that if you know an archive already exists, even if it has no links or you think it's out of date or whatever, it's only polite to contact the person who began it and to say "Hi, I noticed you have an archive and it's out of date. I think it's a great idea, but yours doesn't seem to have any links on it. I was thinking of doing the same thing, and I just thought I'd check with you and see if you were OK with that." That's all. Of course nobody "owns" the idea or the concept, and of course everyone has the right to do whatever they want. I don't think that's the issue here. The issue - or at least the one that caused me to react angrily - is one of common courtesy.

Sorry to go into so much detail, but I did want to clarify that.

[identity profile] thepsychicclam.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 10:03 am (UTC)(link)
hi. i avoid drama like the plague, but i have to say that i NEVER got that comment, and if i did, i would have responded back, esp. since i mentioned the other archive in my posts/comments. we all know that lj has been acting all kinds of crazy. i would have gladly taken over modding rights on that AU site if so.

but since lj sucks ass and never sent the comment, it's not my fault i didn't go back and see it.

and since i'm not part of this, i think attacking me in comments like yours isn't v. nice.

[identity profile] ffenest.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Fair enough if you didn't get a notification, it just looked from the comments on the post like you were ignoring her, which, in my mind equals someone being quite rude. Especially in a situation like this.

i think attacking me in comments like yours isn't v. nice
Dude. I was not attacking you. Hope's a friend of mine, and I was supporting her and letting her know that what had happened made me angry. Because that kinda shit is just not on, not the comment/reply thing or the new archive, when she's put so much time and effort into hers already. I saw it as a slap in the face to a good friend, and reacted as such. The spirit of the comment was more in defense of Hope than an attack on you.

[identity profile] acari.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
The girl who made the new directory knew about the directory on dombillijah.com. She was the one who dropped the link in another thread, here (http://www.livejournal.com/users/thepsychicclam/773819.html?thread=7959227#t7959227). And she has been in the thread where you posted your comment to find new links after you've been there so it's very likely she saw your offer to take over the directory. Just... no.

And not replying to you when every other comment gets a response seems a bit strange. At least she could've acknowledged it.

The two directories seems way to similiar but rejoice, you and Megolas are credited on the site for having had the original idea now. Still seems kinda fishy to me.

If you leave your post open I will happily link it on the newsletter. Information, yo.

[identity profile] pedx.livejournal.com 2004-07-12 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
WTFF!

[identity profile] cloisonne.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
That sucks most verily. People shouldn't steal things, it's just not cool. Some people have no manners.

*loves*

[identity profile] princessofg.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 06:59 am (UTC)(link)
look, all i do is blissfully consume the smut that's on all your many domains an contribute the occasional bit of feedback, but for what it's worth?

PEOPLE SHOULD BE REALLY REALLY NICE AND POLITE TO YOU BECAUSE THE PLACE WOULD BE WAY DIFFERENT WITHOUT YOU.

SO I FOR ONE APPRECIATE YOU.

HANG IN THERE AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SITES, YOUR HUMOR, YOUR FIC AND EVERYTHING ZEKE/CASEY AND LOTRIPS AND LOTRFPS.

So there.

[identity profile] danachan.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
*uses appropriate hug icon, and hugs you up good and tight*

[identity profile] acetylene-torch.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
What the hell is your problem? Are you five, and the only one allowed to use the blue crayons are nursery school?

It's a directory and an archive for chrisssakes. It's not like no one's ever had the idea before, or will again. The two could, quite possibly, survive exclusive of each other. Amazing, but true.

Drama drama drama

[identity profile] acetylene-torch.livejournal.com 2004-07-13 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
What the hell is your problem? Are you five, and the only one allowed to use the blue crayons at nursery school?

It's a directory and an archive for chrisssakes. It's not like no one's ever had the idea before, or will again. The two could, quite possibly, survive exclusive of each other. Amazing, but true.

Drama drama drama