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puddingsmith ([personal profile] hope) wrote2010-01-28 10:14 pm

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So, people like my story! Yay!

Though, my half-baked theory that the more plot = the less comments seems... pretty correct, actually. Hahaha...haaah... <-- somewhat exhausted laughter because I heart feedback but omg writing porn is GRUELLING.

ETA: okay, writing the above makes me SO PARANOID because it's this THING again where if you talk about what it's like to receive feedback then you are being precious. And yet that site of engagement is such a complex one that I wish wish WISH fandom as a whole was more open to meta'ing and being frank about it (I know, I have said this before, but then I get - hah - paranoid, and lose my nerve and delete after all). But I am trying to be brave, and not think about being silently judged. CAN WE PLEASE, AS A COMMUNITY, JUST TALK ABOUT IT?

Ahem.


Anyway. Speaking of writing stuff, I am going to re-do the Nerdy PSA into a v.2, seeing as lots of people are still using it and I think I could tidy it up a bit and integrate a bunch of stuff left in the comments. If you have anything to add/weigh in on wrt accessibility and casual coding that isn't covered there, drop me a comment/PM/pigeon?

omg productivity!

[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 03:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I just read your story and damn, it's hot and good and tasteh.

Have you posted it on jackxianto? Lots of readers there.

Comment numbers are weird. Sometimes I'm fairly surprised if anyone likes something and sometimes I'm surprised few people like a story. There are just so many factors - the summary, porn content, time of day, what people are in the mood for reading that week, etc., but many many people read stories (and blogs and other content) and never comment at all.

One of my stories came up on twgenrefinders or twstoryfinder - one of those - and several people mentioned it or said they liked it, and they've never commented. :D So, you know, people do mem or like things and forget to tell you.

[identity profile] neifile7.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Sometimes I think that comments are like the weather. They depend entirely on atmospheric conditions. So yeah, one should be zen about it, but I doubt very much that any of us are, at bottom. One really good comment can make up for weeks of drought, though, there is that.

TEAL DEER HERE

[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2010-01-28 07:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This is true.

There are a billion factors which affect which thing gets comments and which doesn't.

Even when it comes to porn. I think in some cases, people are shy about their kinks, for example. There are probably stories which a LOT of people read but don't comment on because of this -- they don't want to air their kinks. I don't care if people know what I think is uber hot, but some others may. In some cases, readers may feel the comment would come months or years after the last comment, so maybe they think the author has moved on. (And a lot of readers don't write fic, so may not realize how much writers squee over a random "that was hot!" :) ) On the other hand, when there are TONS of comments on something, a reader figures commenting is the thing you do on this story. And some people have social anxiety about commenting at all on stories when they haven't interacted with the person in other ways.

It's like getting your hair styled and colored. You walk out of the salon and you feel FABULOUS. But you go to work and maybe nobody comments. Maybe they're preoccupied or didn't notice or they think it's inappropriate to compliment people's appearance because the last person they said something to took it weird. But that doesn't mean your hair looks awful.
In short, comment numbers do not indicate a story's "value" or how well it may be written. The bestselling books on the NYT list are not necessarily the most awesome books, but you know that. :D

Re: TEAL DEER HERE

[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2010-01-30 03:30 pm (UTC)(link)
There was a post circulating months ago with all of the reasons people didn't comment -- they download stuff and read it on paper or on their iPhone, they're at work and don't want to log in, etc. And they may not feel obligated, either, if the writer has never commented on their stories, if they write them. And I have sort of a theory about comment numbers affecting comments.


THEN there's the archive effect: Put something on Teaspoon or AO3 and it's like a static webpage to most people. They'll read it but rarely comment at all.

There are so many good writers who don't get comments and become discouraged, and there are sometimes mediocre writers who receive lots of comments. There are too many factors.

I work in a field in which we measure these things, so I'm interested in the dynamics of lurking versus participation in the abstract. :D

[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2010-01-31 11:38 am (UTC)(link)
They can't tell the author! The story has already been up for a few weeks, but the reccer just posted the rec now! :D

[identity profile] 51stcenturyfox.livejournal.com 2010-01-31 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I know! They're food!

But it's internet behaviour in general, as one finds with blog posts. I really do think it's often down to publish dates appearing on stories versus stories appearing to be in an undated archive.

It's easier to stop assigning weight to comment numbers than to worry too much about it, I think.

[identity profile] neifile7.livejournal.com 2010-01-31 10:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I will totally add you to my back-catalogue commenting project, if you're interested. Bearing in mind that it might be another six months before I get to it. (*is woefully behind...*)

[identity profile] neifile7.livejournal.com 2010-02-01 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
The way I've been doing it is to pick any fics the writers especially want comments for -- whether because they didn't get enough in the first go-round or because they want feedback on specific things -- and offer concrit or a synthetic overview or a kind of comparative view of the different fics. It's really up to the writer. I think it's helped me do better beta, and I've had great conversations with the writers along the way. Alas, though, I've been terribly slow about it -- I started last March and have only done about six of the twelve I initially promised, so unless I can pick up speed, it might be awhile. But I love doing it; there's a kind of thrill about looking at how someone writes in that kind of depth. Also, my flist is full of favorite writers, so it's not exactly a hardship. :)

Yep, it's fun to revisit old favorites, too. I spend a lot of time thinking about how stories have changed over the growth of the fandom. You'd probably get a big kick out of it.