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So, people like my story! Yay!

Though, my half-baked theory that the more plot = the less comments seems... pretty correct, actually. Hahaha...haaah... <-- somewhat exhausted laughter because I heart feedback but omg writing porn is GRUELLING.

ETA: okay, writing the above makes me SO PARANOID because it's this THING again where if you talk about what it's like to receive feedback then you are being precious. And yet that site of engagement is such a complex one that I wish wish WISH fandom as a whole was more open to meta'ing and being frank about it (I know, I have said this before, but then I get - hah - paranoid, and lose my nerve and delete after all). But I am trying to be brave, and not think about being silently judged. CAN WE PLEASE, AS A COMMUNITY, JUST TALK ABOUT IT?

Ahem.

Anyway. Speaking of writing stuff, I am going to re-do the Nerdy PSA into a v.2, seeing as lots of people are still using it and I think I could tidy it up a bit and integrate a bunch of stuff left in the comments. If you have anything to add/weigh in on wrt accessibility and casual coding that isn't covered there, drop me a comment/PM/pigeon?

omg productivity!

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So enlighten me.

There's nothing to talk about. I don't get what you think there is to talk about why porn gets more comments than gen.

Tt has nothing to do about the ease of writing. It has to do with the reader's end. And the readers are commenting on the porn. So...? I just don't get what the issue is.

The only exception I can think of is Copperbadge.

Conversely, I don't want you to think I'm blowing you off. I just don't think it's complicated. I think it also bears consideration that readership vs. commenting are two different issues.

Edited 2010-01-28 19:16 (UTC)

Um. I think I might be agreeing with you. Especially the notion that it's more about the reader's end.

Having been both reader and writer (although I don't write porn), I still find some mystery there and support angst/hope's plea to talk about it. Also totally support you in your lack of desire to talk about it.

The more I try to explain myself, the bigger deal I make of something that's not that big a deal. So I'll shut it now.

Peace.

Well, see I think we have this discussion a lot, and it's always the same. maybe everyone needs to host it in their lj, and that is more telling than anything else. Because we know the answers.

I am willing to bet the following: Hope's text is dense. Meaty. People are willing to wade through a lot to get to the porn, and that includes texts denser than they might read for plot, or texts that are shoddy and poorly done. and it's easy to leave a comment at the end of a porn piece that says, "that was hot!" There you go. That's why porn is a heavy hitter, and a lot fewer people are going to read Hope's gen--because they don't want to read thicker text. I dunno. It's like watching the best seller lists--who's on them? What do they write?

I think the problem that I have is that it's not that fandom isn't talking about it. There's no taboo. And it's not a criticism or sweeping generalisation about all fandom readers. It's just not that hard to fathom, and I don't think there's an aversion to talking about it.

So for me the discussion about the discussion and the need for it is more interesting than the thing about the gen vs. porn. Just like I'm interested in the rekindling of all major fandom discussions, and not the content of the discussions themselves.

I disagree that there's no taboo. I've definitely experienced negative and extreme reactions to talking about receiving feedback before, and sounded out that aspect frequently in more private spaces.

Really? I don't get that. I've never seen it myself.

I think maybe then what I an thinking is that I don't understand what question is being asked here. Because the question that I read as being asked doesn't feel like what you want to say.

Edited 2010-01-28 21:21 (UTC)

Yeah, I've not exactly put forward an articulate case in my ETA, I know. I think sometimes I forget that not everyone has been around on my LJ for years, and so when I pick up the thread of an ancient conversation and continue with the assumption that my flist has heard me talk about it before... yup.

In my case it was more that I misread what you intended, and yeah, I guess I'm not well, uhm, contexted int your dialogue here. I thought you were saying that fandom doesn't talk about the disparity of comments in gen vs. porn, and I was wondering why anyone thinks that's a mystery. The case of Nancy Drew and the Commenting Disparity is, I fear, something that is so multifaceted that I couldn't begin to pick it apart.